Lesson 51
Beginner
Beginner
Braaaains!
Braaaaaains. Brains. Brains. Object participle -dik and braaaaaaaaaaains.
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Öğrenci
I really need an answer key for the written sentences. I just can't find my mistake and without it I can't activate the fun part :((
May 08, 2013
Justin
Coming this week!
Borut
harika :)
ARŞAM
Plants vs zombiesi'i çok seviyorum .. harika bir sitenin var
Pierre
Maybe I missed a concept or two in the noobie training but I don't understand why the correct answer for review question 3 is sevdiğimiz and not sevdiğiz - why the "m"
Justin
Merhaba @Pierre!
Good question - and one that is an easy source of confusion at first.
Make sure to keep the personal suffix and the possessed suffix separate in your head. For example:
doktor + uz = doktoruz = we are doctors
doktor + umuz = doktorumuz = our doctor
The -dik construction uses the latter possessed suffix. So, literally, "our sevdiği" = "bizim sevdiğimiz." sev + dik + imiz
Does that clear it up?
Good question - and one that is an easy source of confusion at first.
Make sure to keep the personal suffix and the possessed suffix separate in your head. For example:
doktor + uz = doktoruz = we are doctors
doktor + umuz = doktorumuz = our doctor
The -dik construction uses the latter possessed suffix. So, literally, "our sevdiği" = "bizim sevdiğimiz." sev + dik + imiz
Does that clear it up?
Öğrenci
Merhaba arkadaşlar!
I wish I had found this website a couple of months ago. man! it would have saved me so much hassle. This lesson here about the subject participle really helped me take it to the next level, there's some real deep interesting stuff in here. So my question is: is it enough to count only on the lessons you have here to master Turkish as far as grammar is concerned ? or I need to get my hands on a few grammar books?
Thanks!
Ahmad.
I wish I had found this website a couple of months ago. man! it would have saved me so much hassle. This lesson here about the subject participle really helped me take it to the next level, there's some real deep interesting stuff in here. So my question is: is it enough to count only on the lessons you have here to master Turkish as far as grammar is concerned ? or I need to get my hands on a few grammar books?
Thanks!
Ahmad.
Justin
Çok teşekkür ederiz!
I do think with all of our lessons, you can get a pretty exhaustive grasp on Turkish grammar. The problem is, some of the best stuff is buried in the podcasts themselves, or as a third language point where you might not expect it. So, I'd recommend picking up a beginner's book just so you can more immediately access information should you need a reference.
I do think with all of our lessons, you can get a pretty exhaustive grasp on Turkish grammar. The problem is, some of the best stuff is buried in the podcasts themselves, or as a third language point where you might not expect it. So, I'd recommend picking up a beginner's book just so you can more immediately access information should you need a reference.
Debra
Thank you all soooooo much as pennies are dropping. I have years to go I know. I am loathe to add a question in case it is so far from correct, but cannot quite get my head around the possessor. So in the interests of my development I am willing to offer up my inadequacies for ridicule;
Here the subject Aylin is possessor ....
Aylin'in okuduğu kitabı bulamıyorum.
But none in this
Bulduğu çanta yeşil
So would this be also correct?
Onun bulduğu çanta yeşil
Merely onun can be omitted?
If not how can I get into my thick head where there should and shouldn't be a possessor?
cheers
Here the subject Aylin is possessor ....
Aylin'in okuduğu kitabı bulamıyorum.
But none in this
Bulduğu çanta yeşil
So would this be also correct?
Onun bulduğu çanta yeşil
Merely onun can be omitted?
If not how can I get into my thick head where there should and shouldn't be a possessor?
cheers
Justin
Haha, don't worry, you're exactly right.
Turkish overwhelmingly prefers to drop the pronoun, as in:
"çantam" instead of "benim çantam"
"gidiyorum" instead of "ben gidiyorum"
"gitmem lazım" instead of "benim gitmem lazım"
The same holds true for the -dik construction. It's rare to hear the pronoun explicitly used, except in those cases where it provides particular clarity. You tend to see it used in the newspapers when it helps to parse long, complex sentences. But, in everyday spoken Turkish:
"Sevdiği adam" instead of "onun sevdiği adam"
Turkish overwhelmingly prefers to drop the pronoun, as in:
"çantam" instead of "benim çantam"
"gidiyorum" instead of "ben gidiyorum"
"gitmem lazım" instead of "benim gitmem lazım"
The same holds true for the -dik construction. It's rare to hear the pronoun explicitly used, except in those cases where it provides particular clarity. You tend to see it used in the newspapers when it helps to parse long, complex sentences. But, in everyday spoken Turkish:
"Sevdiği adam" instead of "onun sevdiği adam"
Debra
RELIEF!
:)
Şimdi Debbie downer değilim!
:)
Şimdi Debbie downer değilim!
Silvia
iyi posta!
Öğrenci
Merhaba! cümlende "Söylediğin şeye inanmiyorum", neden şeye, şeyi yerine? Teşekkürler!
Öğrenci
Bu arada, congrats for the website! I had private teacher, but this is much better!
Justin
Çok teşekkür ederiz :D
That's a very good question. It just so happens that inanmak forces it's direct objects to take the dative (-e) instead of the accusative (-i). There's no real reason for why - some verbs just work this way and you have to learn which is which. Now you know at least one!
That's a very good question. It just so happens that inanmak forces it's direct objects to take the dative (-e) instead of the accusative (-i). There's no real reason for why - some verbs just work this way and you have to learn which is which. Now you know at least one!
Öğrenci
Çok teşekkürler. Is there a lesson to learn "Ki" suffix? Thanks
Justin
Evet! Three actually :)
https://turkishteatime.com/lesson/i-heard-he-was-a-ninja/
https://turkishteatime.com/lesson/gold-digger/
https://turkishteatime.com/lesson/where-should-we-go-out/
https://turkishteatime.com/lesson/i-heard-he-was-a-ninja/
https://turkishteatime.com/lesson/gold-digger/
https://turkishteatime.com/lesson/where-should-we-go-out/
Öğrenci
I find the plural form a bit confusing / ambiguous. E.g., is the plural in 'söyledikleri' referring to the 'things that he said' or the thing that they said'? And how about 'the things that they said'?
Thanks in advance!
Thanks in advance!
Justin
Merhaba! Good question! You're obviously paying attention ;-)
It's completely ambiguous. Without context, it can mean either of those things.
This happens plenty of times outside of -dik, as well. For example:
kedileri
Her cats? Their cats? Their cat? You need the context to know for sure.
It's completely ambiguous. Without context, it can mean either of those things.
This happens plenty of times outside of -dik, as well. For example:
kedileri
Her cats? Their cats? Their cat? You need the context to know for sure.
Öğrenci
So far, this is the hardest grammar point to learn, memorize, and use naturally. I feel like mastering it is the dividing line that will get me to the next level!
