Rejection
Lesson 20intermediate Turkish Intermediate
Rejection
Ouch - it's never fun to be rejected. Hopefully with today's lesson on the suffix -meli, you'll be able to use your Turkish to express everything you should have done to avoid bitter rejection. If only. . .
The "should" suffix (meli).
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Samantha
i am having a difficult time with one review question. i think that 'He ought to break up with her' should be 'onunla ayrilmali'. (i's without dots). please explain why this is incorrect.
May 17, 2013
Justin
Good question - you're very close. Ayrılmak actually forces the ablative (-den) in Turkish, not ile. (Your break up FROM someone.)

I changed the question text slightly to make that more clear.

Thanks :)
May 18, 2013
Frank
Great site. One small point; Could you leave a little more time in the speaking sections for the student to answer in future?
Dec 07, 2013
Justin
We can do that! Thanks for the feedback! :)
Dec 11, 2013
Moritz
Meh, got a mistake because I wrote hekim instead of doktor ;) My wife's grandma apparently says tabib.
Apr 13, 2014
Martha
Merhaba!

I think I am a little confused, probably because it is late here, but let me try my question anyway. In the lesson, you say that unlike the other "have to" constructions we have learned,
-meli/-malı works with a verb form, rather than a noun or an adjective form. Am I following correctly so far? And I understand that we're buillding off of verbs: gitmek, gitmeli, gitmeliyim. But then we get to past tense and we must have the buffer y: gitmeliydim. Yes? Here is where I am confused: This buffer y goes with past tense in noun sentences, correct? But in verb-sentence past tense, we don't need it: aradım. So, is what we're dealing with here something between a noun and a verb sentence? Does this have something to do with your note in the Langauge Points about -meli actually being the short infinitive combined with -li?

Thinking too hard again, I know. :)

Teşekkürler!
May 25, 2014
Justin
I love your questions :)

That's correct; -meli is often taught and considered by native speakers as indivisible, but historically it's not. It's a combination of the short infinitive and the same -li that we see in words like "tuzlu" and "şekerli" and "Amerikalı." So, just like:

Amerikalıyım = I am American
gitmeliyim = gitme + li + y + im = "I am with the going"

(Remember there's nothing special about -li and buffer y, here. It's also kediyim = I am a cat.)
May 26, 2014
Martha
Sağol! And I truly appreciate your answers -- and the fact that you put up with my questions. :)

So, this makes the -meli construction something like the
-mekte construction we learned. Gitmekteyim: "I am in the going." Gitmeliyim: "I am with the going."

And that's why that buffer "y" shows up in the past tense: "Gitmekteydim" and "gitmeliydim." Yes? It is not a verb past tense, but a noun past tense.

And so in the dialogue: "Girmeliydim!"

From confusion to clarity. (I think.) Teşekkür ederim!
May 27, 2014
miquel
Bir şey sorabilir miyim?
(Could I put "zaten" beetwen "öğrenmek and gerekiyor ?)

Mesela : Ben çok önemli şeyleri öğrenmem zaten gerekiyor.
Ben zaten çok önemli şeyleri öğrenmem gerekiyor.
Doğru hangisi?
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Miquel
May 15, 2018
miquel
Lesson 20 Intermediate "Rejection"

In the Language Points of this lesson, you use "bahsetmeliler" but I think you should use bahsetmemeliler (negatif)
Yours :
Shouldn't they mention their plans to her before leaving?
Ayrılmadan önce ona planlarından bahsetmeliler mi?
Yours, Miquel
May 21, 2018
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